Electronic Telegram No. 191 Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams INTERNATIONAL ASTRONOMICAL UNION M.S. 18, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A. IAUSUBS@CFA.HARVARD.EDU or FAX 617-495-7231 (subscriptions) CBAT@CFA.HARVARD.EDU (science) URL http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/cbat.html SUPERNOVAE 2005dd AND 2005de Further to IAUC 8570, E. Lee, N. J. Ponticello, and R. J. Foley report the LOSS/KAIT discovery of two apparent supernovae on unfiltered KAIT images, as tabulated below. SN 2005de was independently discovered by T. Puckett and J. Tigner at mag 18.0 on an unfiltered CCD frame taken with the 0.60-m automated supernova patrol telescope (cf. IAUC 8569) on Aug. 3.13 UT. SN 2005 UT R.A. (2000.0) Decl. Mag. Offset 2005dd Aug. 1.46 2 34 36.57 +01 20 53.2 18.6 10".7 E, 1".6 N 2005de Aug. 2.28 18 02 23.36 +26 03 07.7 18.1 17".3 W, 33".1 N Puckett provides position end figures 23s.37, 07".9 for SN 2005de. Additional approximate unfiltered magnitudes from the discoverers: SN 2005dd in UGC 2062, 2004 Jan. 16 UT, [19.0; 2005 Aug. 3.50, 18.8. SN 2005de in UGC 11097, 2002 Aug. 12, [20.0 (Puckett); 2004 Oct. 5, [20.0 (Puckett); 2005 July 28.29, [19.0 (KAIT); Aug. 3.26, 17.6 (KAIT); 4.13, 17.3 (Puckett). NOTE: These 'Central Bureau Electronic Telegrams' are sometimes superseded by text appearing later in the formal IAU Circulars. (C) Copyright 2005 CBAT 2005 August 4 (CBET 191) Daniel W. E. Green